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 Posted: Tue Oct 9th, 2007 04:36 pm
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For anyone here who hasn't already heard this story...

A few months ago I approached Michael Kutzer with the hope that he might be able to help me find a
copy of his fabulous 1989 "Michael's Tarot." (Actually, I did some begging.) He told me that a majority
of the original 12 copies were given away to friends back in Germany, and that none were likely to part with them.

A number of people had approached him like this in the past, hoping to find an elusive copy.
So I made a point of telling him how important I think this work is.
I told him I thought it deserves a wider audience than the very few collectors lucky enough to have a copy.
Most people would never even have a chance to see it, let alone own it.
And after a short discussion, he announced that he would print a second edition.

These are original hand printed and hand colored etchings. Printing and then painting them all is a huge,
exhausting job. Michael has been hard at work for several months, and now the first copies are finally completed.

I got mine last week.
Here are some photos of Michael's Tarot, Second Edition.

Here is the box, as it arrives:
http://members.aol.com/fiveoakleaves/onepotato/Michaels/1MTbox.jpg
http://members.aol.com/fiveoakleaves/onepotato/Michaels/2MTopen.jpg
http://members.aol.com/fiveoakleaves/onepotato/Michaels/3MTopen.jpg

And here are some sample cards:
http://members.aol.com/fiveoakleaves/onepotato/Michaels/4MTcards.jpg
http://members.aol.com/fiveoakleaves/onepotato/Michaels/5MTcards.jpg

I think it is stunningly beautiful.
The photos can't really capture the qualities of the ink and paint on paper.
I absolutely love intaglio printing. It has an immediacy and presence that simply cannot
be achieved by any other method of production.

And the academic content is huge. It's impossible to take in in a single sitting.
I see this as a redefining deck.

I think it is uncompromisingly magnificent, both artistically and academically.
I'm very happy that it will finally be seeing a wider audience.

Bravo, Michael!
Thanks for this masterwork!


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 Posted: Tue Oct 9th, 2007 04:44 pm
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By the way, if anyone is interested, Here is Michael Kutzer's website address:

http://www.kutzer-art.com/michaels_tarot.html

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Mr OnePotato,

You are indeed a scholar and gentleman.  Thank you very much for this information.

Michael Kutzer's Tarots are some of my favorites, and I was thrilled to hear he is re-printing Michaels Tarot.  I emailed him to see if there are any available even before writing this.  I consider myself one of the lucky ones as I have a copy of the Tarot, rather than a set of the original 12 copies he made, it is a full set of the proofs for the original edition.  Originally some of them were not colored, but when it turned up I was buying all the proofs when they were offered on Ebay, he offered to color them for me, and I gratefully accepted.  It is an amazing Tarot and it really is one pf the treasures of my collection. 

And the Tarot Pers* is a favorite also, for entirely different reasons.  It's not often I can chuckle at cards this way.  I especially like the Hanged man.

http://www.kutzer-art.com/tarot_pers.html

Thanks again, and keep the leads comong!!!

Sherry

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 Posted: Tue Oct 9th, 2007 07:48 pm
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I too enjoy specializing in Michael's tarots. I'm eagerly awaiting the arrival of my deck. I know where one available copy of the first edition lies, but the price is very steep.  Thanks for the pictures. 
 

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Looks like he's planning a tarot deck for every major animal species....:D

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debra wrote: Looks like he's planning a tarot deck for every major animal species....:D

I think there is going to be 12 types only.  So far there is Elephant, Pig, Mouse and Hedgehog, with Seal, opossum and crab almost ready to go.  I wonder what the other 5 will be.

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Quarkling wrote:  I know where one available copy of the first edition lies, but the price is very steep.   
 


How much is very steep?  the major thing I have a problem with is estimating what is a fair or good price for a set of tarot cards.  So far all I have to go is what I am willing to pay, and that has lead me into acouple instances of grossly overpaying, and acouple instances of letting something go that I shouldn't have.  Other that the Tarot Garden there are no references I can find.  And if Jeannette doesn't have the deck in stock there is no way to estimate pricing.

Does anyone know of a good source for price information?

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skad1 wrote: Quarkling wrote:  I know where one available copy of the first edition lies, but the price is very steep.   
 


How much is very steep?  the major thing I have a problem with is estimating what is a fair or good price for a set of tarot cards.  So far all I have to go is what I am willing to pay, and that has lead me into acouple instances of grossly overpaying, and acouple instances of letting something go that I shouldn't have. 
Does anyone know of a good source for price information?

It's too subjective for anybody else to make that determination for you.....at least this is how I see it.

IMHO you are your own best source, especially when trying to assess an edition of exceptional rarity and quality. These two elements don't always go hand-in-hand.

Think about what differentiates the two editions as well as their similarities.

Ask yourself if you intend to hold and never sell or is there a possibility that further into the future, you may wish to sell for a profit? In the latter case,  the waters are  muddy, market conditions can be volatile and are determined by several variables.

What do other hand made editions go for?



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It's not a question of whether Michael is asking too much for the 2nd edition, I agreed to it quite easily.  I am getting his deck as much as a work of art as a Tarot deck. 

It's a question whether over 300 was too much for a Minotarot, or what a 1st ed Hermetic should go for.  Or how much is a Valentina Visconti per il Palio d'Asti really worth?  How do I know that I couldn't get it at a different dealer for half price?  Or a week later?

It has been the only fustrating part of collecting tarot.  I feel more comfortable than I did a year ago, but it is hard to tell with older or rarer stuff. 


I would be interested in how other people decide to go for something, or let it go.

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My policy has been to jump with glee on  e-bay or Amazon.com offerings and then realize later I'd spent more than necessary. Like you, I find that waiting it out for a while gives me a better sense of what the "going price" is--but the problem is, once it's "going," it's gone!

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Michael Kutzer's  Michael's Tarot  truly belongs to the world of small edition art prints and must be priced accordingly.  Sadly this is beyond my budget.

 

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AdamMcLean wrote: Michael Kutzer's  Michael's Tarot  truly belongs to the world of small edition art prints and must be priced accordingly.  Sadly this is beyond my budget.

 

Budget?  Mine went out the window when I heard there was a chance of getting this deck!  That's what savings accounts are for (that was my excuse anyway).  Plus it's almost my birthday (yeah, I know, another excuse). 

I told myself no more for awhile, then I saw the Rune Cards by Linsell and Partridge on Ebay.  A little research and I got them quite a bit cheaper from the publisher, David brown Book Co, http://www.oxbowbooks.com/

This is the Rune Card that sold the deck to me.

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skad1 wrote: It's not a question of whether Michael is asking too much for the 2nd edition,

I think we've mis-understood each other ;)

I was referring to your question about the asking price of the 1st edition Michael's Tarot.

as for $1000.00 for the 2nd, edition, IMO without a moments hesitation, I say it's worth every penny and then some..........and I haven't even seen my copy yet LOL.

I thought you were also thinking of buying the 1st edition that Quarkling mentioned, as well, and wanted to get an idea of what might be  considered a "steep" price for the 1st ed.

as for the recent Minotarot auction, which closed at USD $259.49.........I would have gladly paid that except for the fact that the seller tried pulling a fast one and I killed the deal.

I strongly suspect he sold it outside of eBay to either another bidder or someone watching the auction who made a better offer.

Adam was very fortunate this past summer, because he grabbed a copy of the Minotarot at an extremely reasonable price (I think).....one of the USG auctions if I remember correctly.

I'm not sure how or why I missed that one because I was aware of the listing, but I must have been pre-occupied with work or in a meeting......one of the pitfalls of auctions that end in the middle of the workday, oh well.

how do I decide, good question, I'm not sure how to answer that.

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Papageno357 wrote: I thought you were also thinking of buying the 1st edition that Quarkling mentioned, as well, and wanted to get an idea of what might be  considered a "steep" price for the 1st ed.
  

Actually I was wondering what the price for the 1st ed would be.  Curiosity pure and simple. 

Per the famous saying "Curosity killed the cat."   And the less famous second line "And Satisfaction brought him back!"  I do so appreciate that ending! :D

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There are some very small diferences between the first and second edition (besides the differen paper size used to print them on).

Here is what Michael told me about it:" I used exactly the same colors as in the first edition. The only change I made is on the Moon card.The shadow of the well didn't come out dark enough, so I colored it blue. The main difference between the first and second deck is, that the prints come out lighter (what is caused by the very tender aquatint) and thereby the structures come out more clearly."

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Michaels Tarot and the Kaplan card :)

Some time ago I contacted Kaplan in regards to some of his Antequarian tarot that he has and the subject of Michaels tarot came up.I was told that he had only one card,the Hermit, which he shows in his encyclopedia.Thus I was able to aquire it.Now the coloring of it is different then his new realese as well as the originale and in talking to Michael about it I was told the story behind it.When Michael first published his first edition they didn't sell very many and at the time the tarot community hadn't yet discovered him.He had also taken some extra cards and experimented with different colors untill he came up with a scheme he liked.So some of these proto type cards he mailed off to different people some as presents and others to promote his deck.So he mailed one to Kaplan but never got a response.And then a few years later he saw it published in Kaplans encyclopedia.Michael also said that once he was "discovered" he sold all his Michaels tarot in a week.So I'll post both cards so you can see the difference.Keep in mind that theirs probably a few prototype cards floating around out there and their color scemes maybe different from the original release; So this means that none of them (proto types, samples) were  from one of the originale decks intend to be released.The first attachment is the prototype or what I'll call the Kaplan card......MIKE

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Michaels Tarot and the Kaplan card :)

Some time ago I contacted Kaplan in regards to some of his Antequarian tarot that he has and the subject of Michaels tarot came up.I was told that he had only one card,the Hermit, which he shows in his encyclopedia.Thus I was able to aquire it.Now the coloring of it is different then his new realese as well as the originale and in talking to Michael about it I was told the story behind it.When Michael first published his first edition they didn't sell very many and at the time the tarot community hadn't yet discovered him.He had also taken some extra cards and experimented with different colors untill he came up with a scheme he liked.So some of these proto type cards he mailed off to different people some as presents and others to promote his deck.So he mailed one to Kaplan but never got a response.And then a few years later he saw it published in Kaplans encyclopedia.Michael also said that once he was "discovered" he sold all his Michaels tarot in a week.So I'll post both cards so you can see the difference.Keep in mind that theirs probably a few prototype cards floating around out there and their color scemes maybe different from the original release; So this means that none of them (proto types, samples) were  from one of the originale decks intend to be released.The first attachment is the prototype or what I'll call the Kaplan card......MIKE

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Sorry for the double post !!! I'm so use to double clicking everything !!! This is what the 2nd edition Hermit looks like and I presume it matches the originale release in color scale......MIKE

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Hey tantricknite,

You're lucky to have an experimental prototype!
It's very interesting to see how the color palette developed and changed.
And I can see the slight lightening in the aquatint.

Now, we still need to get a look at one of the boxes from the first edition....

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Michael Kutzer,
creator of "Michael's Tarot", "Tarot Pers", "Doll Tarot", and the "Cudahy Series of Animal Tarots",
will be exhibiting paintings and prints in a one-man show at:

The Cottage Place Gallery
at The Unitarian Society of Ridgewood
113 Cottage Place
Ridgewood, NJ, USA
from June 6 through June 28, 2009.
(Open by appointment only.)

A closing reception will be held on Saturday, June 27th 2009, from 2 - 5 pm.
Michael is planning to be present.
(Some of his tarot work, though not included in the exhibition, will be included at the reception.)

Please PM me for directions, any questions, or any further info.
(Easy access by train from NYC.)

Hope to see you there!
Thanks!

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So far the general response to his work has been excellent!
People love his target paintings, and he's a real master printmaker.

The reception is coming up fast, on Saturday the 27th.

Unfortunately, I haven't had any inquiries at all from the forum here or elsewhere.
It will be a real shame if no one from the online tarot community comes to meet him.

Here are a few pix:

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another:

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I would have loved to have gone to the showing this year but unfortunatly wasn't able to attend do to finances and I'm on the west coast.Tell Michael hello from the forum community ....

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Several people seem to be too far away to make it to the show.

Here are a couple more photos...

(These are some small landscape etchings that he did back in Europe.)

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...and another.
(A couple of etchings from Lord of the Rings, an etching of an intellectual crab, and a larger crab woodcut.)

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These are fabulous, OnePotato, thanks for posting. It's good to have the pictures of Michael's Tarot on the forum too, even though I'll never own one...

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Well, the show has closed.
Here is one last photo from the reception:
L to R: OnePotato, M. Kutzer, MrsOnePotato (aka LittleWindow)

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The Potato family is quite handsome...thank you for sharing :) :ok

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