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 Posted: Tue Jan 15th, 2008 07:04 am
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doing a community deck? :D

(here's the list so far. i'll be updating this post as it's the first to be viewed when clicking on the thread)

0 Fool -Mark E Merrill
I Magician -nicole
II Priestess -truelight
III Empress -BlueToy 
IV Emperor -Ambriel
V Hierophant -Demian
VI Lovers -Jackdaw
VII Chariot -Skad1
VIII Strength (numbering tentative) -Philebus
IX Hermit -Little Window
X Wheel of Fortune -AdamMcLean
XI Justice (numbering tentative) -Debra
XII Hanged Man -Mythos
XIII Death -Gregory
XIV Temperance -Morwenna
XV Devil -palestrina
XVI Tower - Papageno
XVII Star -Tantricknight
XVIII Moon -MrlaLuna
XIX Sun -Chronata
XX Judgment -Quarkling
XXI World -OnePotato

Cups

Mythos

Swords

Wands

Pentacles


3 x 4.5, 300 dpi (for the scans). but i'd advise you to do something a bit bigger, but still proportionate (like, say, 4.5 x 6.75 which can be reduced to 3 x 4.5) just to explain, i took 0.5 inches off the height for the numbers and card titles. :) don't include the text and numbering in the artwork (so at least we'' have uniformity thre). no theme. any medium (but if 3d and the like, take pics).

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With lots of collage, clip art, stock photos and Photoshop watercolour filters!? :shock: :D 

 

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goldenweb wrote: With lots of collage, clip art, stock photos and Photoshop watercolour filters!? :shock: :D 

 

so does this mean you're also interested? :D

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The above was a tongue-in-cheek reference to a few other threads, mostly the ones about collage decks, an animal spirit deck that might be an example of the worst sort of tarot art and the thread about copyright - oh and the one about community decks/collaboration. (You probably knew that though :) )  

My instinct is to shy away from community decks, but true collaboration is a different matter. It'd be good to work with artists who each had their own speciality and could contribute that to each card.  So that someone with a strong decorative style and the patience to work with pattern could create the frames and backs, another  with drawing skills could make line drawings which might then be textured and worked on digitally by someone with those particular skills. Perhaps some specialist imaginary tarot input would work to inspire the artists too. Someone could write the LWB. Certain collaborative decks have worked well/brilliantly - the Thoth being the prime example. The Linweave springs to mind as well, although I've never seen a copy in the flesh. If it worked we could ask Adam if he wanted to publish it.  Whoa there Pen... you're getting carried away now... :D

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bgoldenweb wrote: The above was a tongue-in-cheek reference to a few other threads, mostly the ones about collage decks, an animal spirit deck that might be an example of the worst sort of tarot art and the thread about copyright - oh and the one about community decks/collaboration. (You probably knew that though :) )  

My instinct is to shy away from community decks, but true collaboration is a different matter. It'd be good to work with artists who each had their own speciality and could contribute that to each card.  So that someone with a strong decorative style and the patience to work with pattern could create the frames and backs, another  with drawing skills could make line drawings which might then be textured and worked on digitally by someone with those particular skills. Perhaps some specialist imaginary tarot input would work to inspire the artists too. Someone could write the LWB. Certain collaborative decks have worked well/brilliantly - the Thoth being the prime example. The Linweave springs to mind as well, although I've never seen a copy in the flesh. If it worked we could ask Adam if he wanted to publish it.  Whoa there Pen... you're getting carried away now... :D

for someone shying away from something, this is a rather involved comment! lol well, in deviantart, we used to have art jams, which you spread over hot toast with butter and have for breakfast... no that's not it! :D it's artists doing artworks based on a pre-agreed theme. a more collaborative variant of which was one artist doing the line art and imagery, and the other colouring and adding other decorative effects. maybe this could work for collage as well? like, 2 people working on one card, each adding layers of digitally cut images to the artwork? :)

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It's the lack of cohesion in style that bothers me with most collaborative decks, so two people working on one card wouldn't solve this problem. The essentials are to have a really strong theme and consistency of size and frames/borders, although even with those in place the deck could still be a mess. And don't forget the monster of artistic ego - particularly dangerous with the sort of collaboration I mentioned earlier. Are you really keen for TCF to try this?

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Weeeeelllllll.....you could have some guidelines, like:  a color palette, maybe?

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goldenweb wrote: It's the lack of cohesion in style that bothers me with most collaborative decks, so two people working on one card wouldn't solve this problem. The essentials are to have a really strong theme and consistency of size and frames/borders, although even with those in place the deck could still be a mess. And don't forget the monster of artistic ego - particularly dangerous with the sort of collaboration I mentioned earlier. Are you really keen for TCF to try this?

oh yes. the artist and his/her ego. and, i have to agree that whatever happens, there'll probably be some inconsistency with the whole deck, but I guess with community decks, that's not the main focus. though of course, with a well-defined theme, card dimensions, and other standardized stuff, this will lessen such incoherence. Debra's suggestion of limiting the colour pallette's another way of deliniating the process towards a more "whole" look. :)

here's an example of the "art jam" i mentioned: http://blue-fusion.deviantart.com/journal/11877905/#comments we all did the line art drawings, then the colouring was assigned to another artist. sure, it wasn't too coherent, but the theme's there and still apparent.

now, what would be a good theme...

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goldenweb wrote: With lots of collage, clip art, stock photos and Photoshop watercolour filters!? :shock: :D 

Hahahaha. Oh Pen, you are b-a-d.

The idea of a limited pallette sounds challenging. I like complementary triads myself, or even tetrads.

I don't mind collage, but be **really** challenging and original and say contributors have to collage with their own snippets of art or photography--NO lifting the work of others even if it's in the public domain.

I would not contribute unless it was all original--no kidnapping clip art and old books etc. I don't see the point otherwise. Of course, not having me contribute might be a blessing.

Artistic ego? :D:D:D




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Quid wrote:

I would not contribute unless it was all original--no kidnapping clip art and old books etc. I don't see the point otherwise.


 

Suppose we were fairly specific. For example (only): if we created collages covering aproximately 80% card surface with selections from colour photographs (our own!!) with aprox. 20% of artwork (say a small line drawing in black and white (again our own!!), that (with consistent frames/borders and backs and a stong theme) might be enough to make a deck that holds up as an entity in itself. (An entity? Now I know I'm losing the plot.  Just an idea...) 


Added: we could turn all the photos to sepia to limit the palette, or add a coloured filter...  

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goldenweb wrote: Now I know I'm losing the plot. 

Call me old  fashioned, but I thought the whole point of a collaborative deck was that the artists wanted to collaborate with one another, not restrict and determine the art style, medium or work of  their collaborators.

I seems this project is dead from the start and  the title of this thread is so relevant  :-

we are too far away ....

 

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Adam wrote:

Call me old  fashioned, but I thought the whole point of a collaborative deck was that the artists wanted to collaborate with one another, not restrict and determine the art style, medium or work of  their collaborators.


Agreeing on restrictions in order to safeguard the integrity of the deck could be seen as collaboration. The above was not a serious/definite suggestion, just an example of how a group might exercise some sort of control over the look of a finished deck, especially as there have been severe criticisms of collaborative efforts in other threads. But if the idea wasn't dead from the start, it probably is now after that slosh of icy water... 

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AdamMcLean wrote: Call me old  fashioned, but I thought the whole point of a collaborative deck was that the artists wanted to collaborate with one another, not restrict and determine the art style, medium or work of  their collaborators.

Well, I might call you unimaginative for sure. Jeez Adam, do you ever think outside the box?

The whole point is to do what hasn't been done before. That means NOT trotting out the same lame ideas of what "collaborative" means.

To accept new ideas and approaches, leave the script of copycat collaboration and kidnapped artwork; we've been in the same rut for at least 25 years with regard to collaborative tarot decks.

If the idea is dead, you just killed it fella.

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Geez, Quid, why so shy and tactful? :P

As an "I'm a writer not an artist" person, my sincere two cents:

There are so many people on this forum with sure eyes and hands for art--I'd love a deck where you did what you wanted, with only the size of the cards prescribed.  Surely a 22 card deck would be possible.

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debra wrote: Geez, Quid, why so shy and tactful? :P
Just playing "Follow the Leader" and taking my cue from Adam.

People can do what they like of course, they always do. However, if people create the same old crap collaborative deck, then it doesn't say much about their artistic ability and creativity.

If people want to have a little smoodge around reinventing the wheel, so be it. There is a chance here to do something bold and truly creative, but group convention won't allow it to happen. I don't respect that, and no, I'm not shy about stating that.

From my observation, it is this narrow-minded stranglehold on tarot, as evidenced by Adam's remarks, and remarks by several folks on this forum and others, that is keeping tarot from being taking seriously as an art form.

No one will go anywhere with this attitude.

No one will go anywhere in the art world, that is certain.

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True collaboration is not inherently “restrictive”, it is in fact, quite the opposite.
In jewelry design and couture, for instance, (back in the day when design really was a major consideration and a high art form) , collaboration was essential and resulted in magnificent creations with a coherent theme.
Each artisan, was/is responsible for a particular aspect of production according to his/her specialty.
 In terms of a collaborative Tarot deck, I really don’t see why an outline for  a reasonable set of parameters could not be established in order to achieve a community deck of exemplary quality.
 

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i don't think standardizing certain aspects of a project would result in a great compromise of artistic freedom. it just means people who are joining agree beforehand to work with certain things in mind. if these are seen as restrictive, perhaps they can also be seen on a somewhat altered paradigm: as a challenge to the artist on how to maximize artistic expression within the (viewed) restrictions.

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What if we chose a card and invited everyone to do their own thing with it?  Maybe a major, or maybe a court like king of pents or some such. 

I would be interested in seeing the different approaches, and those of us with modest skills could participate without fearing that we'd be "ruining" the deck for those with greater talent, experience or dedication. 

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Wow! Art Riot!
This is already so much fun!
Let's smash some chairs!

Here is my proposal:

3" x 5" with 1/8" (mean distance) white border all around.
Square corners.
No lamination.
All media. (Final product must be a reasonably flat, card-like thing. if your work is 3d, photograph it.)
All imagery must be your own.
(If you want to do collage or montage, use your own photos and/or drawings.)
Blank backs.
One copy per participant.

I would prefer to leave it open, but if you want to make it a theme deck, then we can discuss possible subjects.

If you want to dictate a color pallette, I'd suggest choosing between B&W or Color. Period.

Also, timing is an issue. (I am busy, and I work slowly. On the other hand, a year from now, I don't want it to be still sitting around.)

So.
Is that too restrictive?
Is that not restrictive enough?

If the goal is to produce a deck that has the consistency and cohesiveness of a studio production, count me out. (There are thousands of "cohesive" decks already out there.)
Think of this as performance art, not graphic production.

Now...
Let's open the floor to alternate proposals?

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OnePotato wrote: Wow! Art Riot!
This is already so much fun!
Let's smash some chairs!
 
I would prefer to leave it open, but if you want to make it a theme deck, then we
can discuss possible subjects.

Think of this as performance art, not graphic production.
We could stick with the major arcarna first as we may not have enough artists to do the courts and aces.
I think One Pototoe suggestions are good.I like the idea of choosing a theme.
I would be interested in doing either the Star or the Moon.

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I guess that if we went for a 78 card deck we would need to decide on straight pips or semi-illustrated pips or fully-illustrated pips.  Otherwise ... One Potato's ideas sound good to me.

We'd have to agree on the numerical positioning of Justice and Strength, as well, and court card names.  Hmmm! this idea of exploring our own creativity to the fullest within lines of restriction is a fascinating one, and definaitely challenging.  But then creating a tarot deck, individually, within the constraints of tarot (which begs the question 'What is tarot?") has it's fascinations and challenges too.

I opt for no theme, but that is personal preference, and if most wanted a theme, and could agree on one (now that will be interesting to watch:P;)), I'd go with it.

And Adam doesn't need to think outside the box ... he makes such terrific boxes (huh humour;)).

mythos:)

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OnePotato wrote: Here is my proposal:

3" x 5" with 1/8" (mean distance) white border all around.
Square corners.
No lamination.
All media. (Final product must be a reasonably flat, card-like thing. if your work is 3d, photograph it.)
All imagery must be your own.
(If you want to do collage or montage, use your own photos and/or drawings.)
Blank backs.
One copy per participant.

I would prefer to leave it open, but if you want to make it a theme deck, then we can discuss possible subjects.

If you want to dictate a color pallette, I'd suggest choosing between B&W or Color. Period.

i'm good with the dimensions. though i honestly prefer a theme - but something strange, and different, with two images that normally don't go together, like tapdancing plums (just as an example!), but if everyone votes for no theme, then i'm ok with that too.

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and a standard font (plus positioning of card titles and numbers).

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I am crap at art; you'll have to count me out..... (Relax, everyone !) I am strictly photographic collage !

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quid wrote: From my observation, it is this narrow-minded stranglehold on tarot, as evidenced by Adam's remarks, and remarks by several folks on this forum and others, that is keeping tarot from being taking seriously as an art form.



 I really think such a personal remark as this is quite unjustified.

I had thought that people respected my work with tarot. I cannot see that I have a narrow-minded attitude to tarot. Indeed, I suspect I have one of the most eclectic of collections - I exclude nothing.

It is quite hurtful to be told that I am (along with others)  keeping tarot from being taking seriously as an art form.

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AdamMcLean wrote: quid wrote: From my observation, it is this narrow-minded stranglehold on tarot, as evidenced by Adam's remarks, and remarks by several folks on this forum and others, that is keeping tarot from being taking seriously as an art form.



 I really think such a personal remark as this is quite unjustified.

I had thought that people respected my work with tarot. I cannot see that I have a narrow-minded attitude to tarot. Indeed, I suspect I have one of the most eclectic of collections - I exclude nothing.

It is quite hurtful to be told that I am (along with others)  keeping tarot from being taking seriously as an art form.

I guess that will include me too..... I love all my decks except the one..... ;) - even the ones that are probably derivative, thieving, whatever. But I DO take them seriously.

Adam is the most serious minded collector I have come across - and his course on the art work of tarot - which I was lucky enough to get for Christmas :) - is surely evidence enough that he takes it deeply seriously as an art form.

I think of all things, tarot requires an open mind.... I hope I have one. I am SURE Adam does.

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Adam:
It is quite hurtful to be told that I am (along with others)  keeping tarot from being taking seriously as an art form.

What you said on this thread is contrary to your statements elsewhere about supporting tarot as an art form. I'm sure it is hurtful for you to be aware of this irony.

You believe "all art" comes from previous art and no artist is original; you believe in your own narrow vison of collaboration; you believe in squelching artists who do not conform to your beliefs as evidenced in this remark: " I seems this project is dead from the start and  the title of this thread is so relevant. we are too far away ...."

It's okay for you to make hurtful remarks, is it? YOU can say whatever you want in an unsupportive way about artistic and creative ideas, but when I question your support of art, it somehow becomes hurtful to you?

Collecting lots of decks apparently does not guarantee an open mind, nor does it necessarily equate with support of art.

Based on your remarks, I have not found you supportive of art, just of your own ideas about art. That's certainly not a personal attack, it is taken directly from your public remarks on this forum.

It's quite shocking given your reputation as a proponent and champion of tarot art that you would come down so heavily on artists who express an interest in a tarot idea different from yours.

And that you did.

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I can't believe what I just read.

What does one have to do/say to BE supportive of art, quid ? We cannot but have our own ideas; I am sure you have yours. No-one here has knocked them that I've seen.

Which are the posts you find hurtful ? I really want to know. :?

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quid wrote: Adam:
  " I seems this project is dead from the start and  the title of this thread is so relevant. we are too far away ...."
Well Quid you can speak for yourself.I think you have misconstrude Adam intent and don't quite "get" where he is comming from.Your avatar apears appropriate as it shows someone stuck in a Zicron encrusted straight jacket.In my opinion its is you that doesn't have an open mind.You have brought a lot of humor to this forum as well some unique playing card art and opinion and that is appreciated.This discking of Adam because you hold a different presuppasiton about art conception is unnecessary.Agree to disagree but do so in a way that is not so divisive.BTW I see this project as just getting started;it is far from dead..

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When AdamMcLean wrote:

Call me old  fashioned, but I thought the whole point of a collaborative deck was that the artists wanted to collaborate with one another, not restrict and determine the art style, medium or work of  their collaborators.

I seems this project is dead from the start and  the title of this thread is so relevant  :-

we are too far away ....

 



in reply to my post my instinct was to turn away - negativity has a terrible effect on creativity and I avoid it like the plague. It seemed to me an uneccessarily harsh (and yes, hurtful) remark to make in reply to what was meant as a lighthearted attempt to encompass some members' ideas on what a collaborative deck should be like. If you read back you'll see that my reply to that post wasn't so very different from what Quid said immediately afterwards - she's just more forthright than I am, that's all. That's about all - off to do some work now  before I lose the ability - I've been spending far too much time here lately. 

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wow indeed....this thread is hysterical :P TCF has come of age, a good ole fashioned board brawl LMAO!!!

yea, let's smash some chairs and don't forget the potted plants and cheap ceramics, they make great projectiles..........clean up is a bitch though

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I wonder if, as an artist himself and experienced tarot publisher with high standards for his own works, Adam might not feel a greater sense of responsibility when the question of a collaborative deck comes up.  (In contrast, I don't think that Solandia worries about the collaborative decks done by AT members.)  I would hope this to be a fun project rather than a duty that would burden him as founder and owner of this forum.

In any circumstance, he has always expressed himself in a sincere, clear and polite fashion and without ad hominem argument or attack.  Would that we all do the same.

This inspires me to volunteer to do SOMETHING for such a deck, and if the art is at too high a standard for my rough skills, at any rate I will put myself at your disposal. Although I  would like to design a card with a lot of words on it.....


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it seems i've opened a pandora's box of boundless enthusiasm and camaraderie here! lol but seriously, that's the thing about the internet (or, written/typed messages). you don't get to see the emotions that go with the message. i guess that's what smileys are for: :).

i hope there are still enough people interested for the project to push through.

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IMHO and if I were ever to contribute (and from what some have already implied, my standards are too low - which means in effect that this wouldn't be collaborative in the usual forum sense, but "only real artists need apply" - NOT that I have anything against that ! It worked very well for the Inner Vision....)


ANYWAY - I would not want restrictions other than card size placed on me. That would stifle my creativity - such as it is. The ATF decks work pretty well in their way, and are truly collaborative. If people here want to create a really GOOD deck with many contributors, we'd need to determine who is "good enough" - and how do you even begin.....?

One Potato's post is one I could live with - though I don't know if I'd join in anyway... I'm shy..... ;)

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debra wrote: Although I  would like to design a card with a lot of words on it.....

that can be done, and wonderfully too. like  the garden path and the william blake, which have words in them. :)

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Jeepers, len, now I'm getting anxious. I had in mind something less...talented....LOL

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And I can see I am not up to it.....:P

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gregory wrote: ANYWAY - I would not want restrictions other than card size placed on me. That would stifle my creativity - such as it is. The ATF decks work pretty well in their way, and are truly collaborative. If people here want to create a really GOOD deck with many contributors, we'd need to determine who is "good enough" - and how do you even begin.....?

well, it's not like it's going to be published and marketed. i mean, with most community decks, the intent was really more for personal use (and for the happy memories of "community spirit" they bring ;)). maybe people are reluctant to contribute because of the criticisms on the "collaborative decks" thread. but really, that's more of on the technical, would-i-buy-such-a-deck-for-my-collection side, and i'm sure having a contribution in a community deck, gives one more reason to keep such a deck.

regarding what's good enough: if anyone gives time and effort to make a card - that's good enough for me. if anything, i guess this should be seen a broadening of styles one can appreciate.

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Great attitude.  I'm sticking with this theory.  Fun should be part of the equation.

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i just realized how the concepts of "a unified feel" and "appreciating the diversity of the different styles/approaches done by people" might at first come off as polar opposites. but when you think about it, it can be done. i just hope we come to an agreement with the guidlines (as opposed to... restrictions) of the deck soon.

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Quid ... I stand up to be counted.  I, too, consider your remarks to Adam to be hurtful.  And, inappropriate, unacceptable and just plain wrong.  Moreover, it seems that it is okay for you to be tactless and hurtful, but not okay for anyone else to challenge that view.  If I am being tactless and hurtful here, to you, I merely respond in kind.

How about you give it a rest.  An apology to Adam would be a fine thing.  I doubt that it will happen, but it would indeed be a fine thing.  Adam is a man who has shown, through his work, to be a man of great honour, one who should garner our respect.

I rarely, and certainly not blindly nor lightlygive honour and respect.  I just as rarely stick my neck out for the guillotine of someone's criticism.  But, chop off my head mate....if you so desire.

Oh ... and while you are entitled to your opinion ... we all are ... sometimes it does well to think first and decide not to express it.  You could say the same about what I am saying right now ... and if it was about me ... I would crawl into my antipodean hole, shut my mouth, and lick my wounds, but it is not about me ... it is about Adam and it is not on mate.

shirley

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My apologies to Quid if I offended him/her.

I think first we should put someone in charge of this project and since Blue Toy originaly came up with this idea I'd elect him.I also think we should see how many people wish to participate.I think those who have some ideas should put them out their as have already been done.At some point Blue Toy should make a decision on which direction we should go.As far as which artistic medium to use it doesn't matter to me but it should be consistant through the whole  deck as one way of tying it together.As far as naming the deck it could be after a theme if we choose one or even after this site like the "Collectors Tarot".
It would after all be a tarot deck designed by collectors !! :D

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This thread IS interesting and stirring up lots of emotions at the same time both good but also some negative (always a sad thing )

A deck creation sounds great of course lots of things to consider and to arrange to make it truly a deck not just a pack of different cards by different artists.We all know and have plenty examples that sometimes it works and yet despite the best of intentions of all participating sometimes it sometimes doesn't.

On the guidelines there was something i was thinking about in stead of each making it's own card from scratch up to and including printing couldn't it help to harmonisation of material (not all cardstock is the same quality thickness or feeling to it) and style - to have each make the image (high resolution) and have it send out to one person who would print out the deck and do the final "deck-directing" (like re-sizing if needed borders, titles,...)  of course each partisipant would send out a participation for the "materialisation" to the editior.

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Mr. la-luna wrote:
This thread IS interesting and stirring up lots of emotions at the same time both good but also some negative (always a sad thing )

A deck creation sounds great of course lots of things to consider and to arrange to make it truly a deck not just a pack of different cards by different artists.We all know and have plenty examples that sometimes it works and yet despite the best of intentions of all participating sometimes it sometimes doesn't.

On the guidelines there was something i was thinking about in stead of each making it's own card from scratch up to and including printing couldn't it help to harmonisation of material (not all cardstock is the same quality thickness or feeling to it) and style - to have each make the image (high resolution) and have it send out to one person who would print out the deck and do the final "deck-directing" (like re-sizing if needed borders, titles,...)  of course each partisipant would send out a participation for the "materialisation" to the editior.


well, we can scan them, and if it's ok with everyone, i can volunteer as the editor - just to put them in the same size, etc, and send the digital files to people, so that at least everyone has a digital copy of the whole deck (which s/he can print on his/her own).

i think cards with different media would be ok (like some would do collage, others drawing, etc.) so long as there's a pre-agreed theme going - just to unify things. i mean, they might have been done in different media, but there's that unified feel because of the theme. plain white borders would also probably work best, since we don't know how more ornate ones would go with the submitted works.

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I think it's a brilliant idea for everyone to submit their work fo BlueToy for putting together so the cards look like a deck. It would be good if it could be arranged for everyone to have their own actual hands on copy - also made up by BlueToy - as digital images will leak out in the end, and it would be good if the creators actually had something special...

I would rather have black borders, especially if we are to get digital images..... when you are cutting them out, white ones are a bitch to line up.... If not, the digital images need to be supplied against a black background.... (the voice of a recent disaster speaking....)

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Sounds like we have a plan !!!!!  :)

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gregory wrote: I think it's a brilliant idea for everyone to submit their work fo BlueToy for putting together so the cards look like a deck. It would be good if it could be arranged for everyone to have their own actual hands on copy - also made up by BlueToy - as digital images will leak out in the end, and it would be good if the creators actually had something special...

I would rather have black borders, especially if we are to get digital images..... when you are cutting them out, white ones are a bitch to line up.... If not, the digital images need to be supplied against a black background.... (the voice of a recent disaster speaking....)

black is also ok, just so long as the borders are plain.

it might be unethical if i should also be printing the deck, as some people might think i'm capitalizing on the project. plus, yes, it probably will be cheaper, but i have no direct way of receiving funding (still setting up my paypal account) and postal service sucks, so, like with my decks in TG, i'll have to send it to a third party US first, then have them sent to TG... as an alternative, i can lay out the cards and backs within your desired paper size - with registration marks, so printing on your own won't be much of a hassle.

anyway, let's worry about the actual printing later. what would be ok dimensions? one potato's 3x5" suggestion sounds good. as an alternative, i'd also like to suggest 4x6" - for that postcard-y feel. or, we could do it in, say, 4 x 6 and i'll just resize them to 3 x 5 for those who prefer that. we can also provide card meanings, and the creative intent behind each work, a short biography of each contributor, and Debra (if she's willing) can be the editor of that. :)

and, any suggestions for a theme?

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I, for one, have NO problem with BlueToy making a profit, if that were to happen. He would have EARNED it.... (I am currently involved in a collaborative deck that has been stalled since the original organiser had a major family problem and had to drop out. If it had been someone like BlueToy, this would not have happened - but the fact that we cannot find anyone else to take the lead speaks columes (I am TOLD someone has, but I'm not convinced....)

I'm not actually swearing blind that I'm in, BTW, but the process interests me !

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BlueToy as organiser sounds great.  I'm with the 'black' border group, and agree that a variety of media can still be collaborative.  I'm in!  No ideas for a theme though.:( 

Thought ... 'thinks' ... I just got the Il Tarocco di Sandro Pipino ... now Sandro only put faces on some of his people.  Then, with the Sacred Rose, all those white eyes, and the Purro deck ... no hair.  Maybe we could do something long these lines?  What about no mouths ... the Silent Tarot?  Just a thought ... probably not a good one ... I am in boring, unimaginative head this morning.

mythos:)

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One more for the black borders group

Well i was thinking along the lines of incorporating an element from the traditional card into the one we are creating ( we could use one of the 3 biggies or even older one's or free to choose by any participant)

Another theme i was thinking of was color harmonisation - each one uses the color corresponding to that card as base for it (you can use others to accentuate or accompany that one but one is dominant) ( like yellow for the magician, blue high priestess, red emperor...)


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