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 Posted: Fri Dec 28th, 2007 05:09 pm
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I have just bought a very old and beautiful deck of cards, they are c. 1886 (122 years old) by a Madame Morrow. I have all the cards, box and instructions that are yellowed with the age. I am absolutely overwhelmed by them and how old they are but when I look up the name she seems to be none exsistent. They lovely lady I bought them from says she has never seen a deck anything like them and cannot seem to find any background about them either.

I need help. Anybody have any ideas about the history of my wonderful cards.

I have just recently started collecting, so I have not a patch on the peoples here collection or Adams but I have not been doing it long.

I have also found a woman who has got the c.1890 Mme Lenormands cards and I know the history to her, she was the fortune teller who read for Napoleon and Josephine.

I would love to hear about other peoples antique/rare cards, how old they are? or if anyone is selling some?

I think it is gob smacking how much these precious cards go for? anyone have any idea how much my 122 year old ones would go for? not as if I am going to sell them like, I love them to bits, mine forever! :P 

Please reply would be great to hear about other peoples brilliant finds!  

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 Posted: Fri Dec 28th, 2007 07:01 pm
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Hi, welcome to the forum - and you're not alone in having a smallish collection - mine's far too small compared to others here to post a list...

But... 

There's a set of Madame Morrow's Fortune Telling Cards lower down on the page at the link below for £75:

http://www.wizardnumerology.co.uk/subprod/tarot-card-antique-vintage-oop-0001916.aspx  

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 Posted: Fri Dec 28th, 2007 07:10 pm
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Yes them are it, I don't know where they have come from, but they are extremely old. Me and you will have to list are small but proud collection anyhow in celebration! I would love to know who she was or a little information about her, no such look so far tho! and thank you for the welcome very kind of you!

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 Posted: Fri Dec 28th, 2007 07:39 pm
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McLoughlin was a prolific U.S. publisher of card games at the turn of the century (I have some very charming sets myself), "Madam Morrow" was purely fictitious.

There are 2 or 3 incredibly rare and beautiful oracle cards (British)  but I can't recall the name of one specific set that's in the back of my mind........someone has a blog  featuring his/her collection of vintage divination/oracle cards that's very impressive.

I'll have to see if I still have it bookmarked. some of my best vintage game cards are from Britain....even the ones that were published here in the U.S.

Stuart Kaplan has/had a huge collection of McLoughlin game cards in addition to his Tarot although I think most of them have already been auctioned off.

 

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 Posted: Fri Dec 28th, 2007 10:17 pm
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Ah! so thats why I cannot find anything about her, thank you for that, that was very helpful. I have just eyed up some H. Roth and son ones that are extremely old, 100 years I think, they are Paitnik, I believe H. Roth and son imported Paprika and spices in the time, and I have bought the Milton Bradley c. 1908 ones, as far as I can find they were the makers of cards before they nearly went bankrupt and got took over by Hasbro.

To rant on abit more about my weakness for antique-ish tarot cards, I have just bankrupted myself (foolishly proberly but I love them!) on these 118 year old out of print Tarot of the Master cards, they were painted in Turin by a painter called Giovanni Vacchetta but I don't know anything else about them, info on them is scarce so if anyone knows more about them?

OH!! and last but not least these Antique LeNormand Paitnik c.1890 fortune telling cards and oh my god they are absolutely beautiful, plus I have a huge interest in Napoleon and his wife Josephine and I know she became famous for reading for them so thats a big big bonus for me!:P   

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 Posted: Fri Dec 28th, 2007 10:26 pm
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oh hang on!! Aparently the McLoughlin bros as you kindly told me about was took over by the Milton Bradley company, thats cool!! my collection is not coming on to bad then! but not a patch on people on here!! adam has loads, I was astounded!! pardon the spelling! I love the old cards tho, antique and historical, and how they are all linking together makes your findings just that much more worthwhile.

If anyone has old and rare ones, which I am definately sure you have, please do tell me about them and there history and think it is really interesting.

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 Posted: Fri Dec 28th, 2007 10:26 pm
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oh hang on!! Aparently the McLoughlin bros as you kindly told me about was took over by the Milton Bradley company, thats cool!! my collection is not coming on to bad then! but not a patch on people on here!! adam has loads, I was astounded!! pardon the spelling! I love the old cards tho, antique and historical, and how they are all linking together makes your findings just that much more worthwhile.

If anyone has old and rare ones, which I am definately sure you have, please do tell me about them and there history I think it is really interesting.

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 Posted: Sun Dec 30th, 2007 10:17 pm
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TarotsofCathy wrote:

To rant on abit more about my weakness for antique-ish tarot cards, I have just bankrupted myself (foolishly proberly but I love them!) on these 118 year old out of print Tarot of the Master cards, they were painted in Turin by a painter called Giovanni Vacchetta but I don't know anything else about them, info on them is scarce so if anyone knows more about them?

 

I have some 1930 lenormand cards.
Cute but nothing special.

These Vacchetta cards...
Are they really printed 118 years ago?
That would be... (get out the windows calculator...) 1889!

Do you know that Vacchettas cards have been publised 3 times (that I know about)?
A black and white version by Solleone (I think) in the 80's

A coloured version by Il Meneghello in 2001

And a differently coloured version by Lo Scarabeo in 2002, published under the title 'Tarot of the Master'.

It is a very beautiful deck.

You can read up on the different versions at Tarot Garden.
An original version must be a wonderful thing to have.



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 Posted: Mon Dec 31st, 2007 07:03 am
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Yes, it can be confusing.  The copyright date is not the same as the date of publication, because publishers keep reprinting the images, sometimes with slight differences (like different backs or colors).  Sometimes people see a copyright date on a deck and assume that those particular cards were printed in that year....forgetting about the reprinting....

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 Posted: Mon Dec 31st, 2007 10:29 am
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debra wrote: The copyright date is not the same as the date of publication
Oh yes, very true. Look at the verso page of a book to see this.

The original deck from the 19th century was NOT coloured as I mentioned in the other thread. Line drawings only. So when a publisher copyrights the images for a deck, they are using the date for the original line drawings, and the coloured version has the recent date it was coloured and reprinted. That is also copyrighted because it is different than the original copyrighted version.

As I also said in the other thread, these images are in the public domain which is why publishers can use them and colour them and reprint them.

The Vacchetta deck in any recent version is not an antique. It's OOP for all coloured editions. It's worth what it was worth upon publication which is about $20. Booksellers and people on eBay capitalize on people's wants and jack these prices up when they aren't actually valuable.

Like everything else, including the price of a house or car, I suppose it's worth what people are willing to pay for it, but that isn't necessarily a realistic market value.




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 Posted: Mon Dec 31st, 2007 12:51 pm
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Yes quid was right, they were nothing special, they have been re-printed about 3 times? I got refunded and bought a brand new deck for really cheap instead.

Quid has done a print out of the line drawings first done of that deck and they are absolutely beautiful.

I am still mad on the LeNormand ones tho, it is because she is associated with Napoleon and Josephine and I have a huge interest in them so makes the decks that much more special. I have the Astro Mythological and some c.1890 ones and a new printed version some others,

If anyone knows where I can find a list of all the cards made by her I would be greatful to know, I want to see if I can collect all her cards, not for value but for just my own personal want through interest. So if anyone can help on where to locate some? would be grateful. :P

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